Not just a talking shop

TP Pol EngagementReport on the Talk Shop (Crowd Wise) Training for Facilitators (26 February 2015)

Just to let you know yesterday’s event went really well. There were nine participants and three facilitators. We had 2 apologies on the day. Everyone learned a great deal about Crowd Wise ( ), particularly those, who had already experienced an event as a participant. Those, who hadn’t, found it harder to understand the format while also thinking how they might deliver it. This was simpler if you’d already attended a previous Talk Shop event.

One of the many interesting suggestions was to test the question under discussion, ‘What should we do about inequality in Britain?’ and the resulting 5 ‘stances’ in the WEA Engagement group on Facebook. For example, Governments should work together to reduce tax avoidance by both wealthy individuals and companies (particularly multi-nationals) was one of them. We also discovered how important it is to have notes on the ‘pros and cons’ of each stance so to feed the development of people’s views and aid discussion.

Perry (Walker, the facilitator from NEF) asked us to use the three questions for feedback from each event and let him have the data as part of the ongoing research he is doing into why some people engage in political discussion and others don’t. Using a 1-5 scale, he asked:

  • How safe did you feel to have your say and state your opinion?
  • How enjoyable did you find the event?
  • How constructive did you find the conversation?

I suggested inviting Perry Walker and his team back in 6 months’ time (Sept/Oct 2015) to review our progress and deliver more training for facilitators, if required.

And a big thanks to Lee and Foxy of Toxteth TV, who made us feel very welcome and provided an outstanding buffet and refreshments. A couple of drummers even turned up at the end but they were too coy to play, as drummers often are, on this occasion, unlike on our first visit back in October 2014 when we were treated to a fantastic performance by a drumming group.

And experiencing the process, I was curious to note a couple of feelings. One was to do with ‘Power’. Feeling you have it, or not. Being approached by others with a proposal to merge and join forces can make you feel more ‘powerful’, even if this proves to be an illusion. Equally, I have felt isolated watching as other groups made larger alliances. But sticking to my principles, leaving me feeling ‘powerless’, was that so bad? And was I ‘powerless’? It raises many interesting questions to walk with.

The other was the thrill of delivering an impassioned speech in one minute about the state of society and how and why it needed to change. I didn’t know I had it in me. There is a lot to be learned about the continuing power or oratory, the spoken word, on both the speaker and the audience listening.

If you’re interested in this, come along and find out for yourself. The next Talk Shop on Housing is on the 26 March 2015 at 7pm. The subject is Housing. Read more here . The venue is The Ship and Mitre Inn, Tithebarne Street, Liverpool (behind the old Mersey tunnel).

The final one in this pre-election series, on Immigration, is on 28 April at 7pm.



Left with hope

wpid-20150301_165918.jpgI have a book, given to me by a friend who had no need of it. It’s a collection of daily readings from the writings of Richard Rohr. I don’t read it everyday. It’s moved to the kitchen shelf from the bedside table, so that I might read it more regularly. I don’t want to rush it.

But I picked it up this morning. Rohr wrote about how we weigh up decisions or actions in terms of it will affect us. We question what will this mean to me? He says because we are driven by our egos. When we allow ourselves to be open, we are who we can be. We become who we are.


We cleared our mum’s house recently after its sale. I have a box of medals, photos and there was a letter, posted to an address when I was a student in 1981 or 2. It has a Spanish stamp. Who’s it from? I started reading from the top. There were three sheets of notepaper, two letters. The first one described coming home for Christmas and New Year, getting used to English beer and winter football games watching Wolves. One of our mates got married without telling anyone. I’d forgotten that.

Now, he’s back in Spain and scored two goals for his team. ‘Not bad for a defensive midfield player’, he writes. I knew who it was and smiled. JD. He played at the back. I was the striker in our 5-a-side team, which won the Wolves Poly Cup in our second year – my proudest sporting moment ever.

The next letter started off in a similar vein. It mentioned beer and chips and Manchester…Jim! It has to be Jim, the goalie, writing about choices, whether to stay in Spain or come back to England. I wondered where they were now.

I was struck by the tone of the letters, filled with warmth and humour and friendship. How had I missed this at the time? They wrote about meeting up again in the future and looking ahead to all that life has to offer. Back then, I’d kept a distance. I’d always had a feeling of being slightly out of the group, on the edges there. From the tone of the letters, I read clearly that they felt I was right in it. How strangely we see things? How wrong can we be? I’ve not kept in touch. I wonder where they are now. What happened to them? I’d like to know…is it too late?


Walking home Saturday lunchtime, I paused to watch a game of football through the railings. Only then did I notice the word ‘Ackworth’ on the back of a sweatshirt on one of the substitutes. I called over, ‘Hello! Ackworth..? Yorkshire..? The Quaker school…’ They said yes, a bit glumly, I thought. ‘And I’m a Quaker!’ I called out. ‘How are you getting on? Are you Yellows or Stripes?’ ‘We’re Y ellows and we’re not doing too well.’ ‘Don’t worry,’ I said. ‘There’s still time. You’re on Quaker time. That means you always have hope!’ And they burst out laughing. I was smiling too and walked on. When I looked back, they were still laughing.


We all have stories.


Rohr, Richard, On the Threshold of Transformation, Daily Meditation for Men, (2010), LoyolaPress.

Save Our NHS

‘You’re probably thinking who am I?’, I found myself saying. ‘I’m a member of wpid-20150228_144026.jpg38DEGREES, the online campaigning organisation. I’m an individual member. I wanted to show my support for the NHS. I’m meeting other members who live locally here for the first time. We want to collect as many signatures as we can to tell the government and all political parties to look after the NHS…keep it in safe hands.’

I’d made my way across the park towards the meeting place. It was a sunny Saturday morning. The birds were lively in the trees. It was warm even. I kept my eyes open for fellow 38DEGREES badge wearers, “I love NHS” but didn’t see any. Fiona was the first person I met at the meeting point.

‘Wouldn’t it be good if we could capture the stories people told us?’, she said.

Inside a craft fayre, I found myself answering questions from two stall holders about TTIP. ‘I’m not an expert, could be wrong. I think it’s a proposed trade agreement between the US and the European Union, opening up markets, including the NHS, to competition from multi-national companies outside of national government control.’ They signed.

I explained to a woman originally from Eastern Europe what the NHS was and why it mattered to people. She signed.

I was greeting the stall holders, offering them a leaflet. Some of them work or had worked in the NHS. One woman made her own exquisite jewellery. She told me she’d been a nurse on the High Dependency Unit at a children’s hospital. ‘I had to leave in the end. There’s only so much you can take.’ ‘I know that HDU,’ I told her. ‘I’ve been there. The staff helped save my son’s life…there’s the only time I ever saw nurses cry on duty. It was morning, during hand-over time.’ She signed.

A man told me,’ I’ll sign. I had treatment for bowel cancer two years ago and they looked after me royally in the hospital.’ I told him how well he looked. He did. His partner signed too.

Out on the street, me and my pair, Anne, stopped to talk to an extended family, made up of mum and dad, nan and the kids, making plans for the afternoon. We apologised for interrupting them and showed them the petition…’I’ll sign it’, the young mum said. ‘I work in the NHS.’ Her mum signed it too. ‘And what about the kids?’ The two girls were aged about 6 and 9 years old. They started laughing, a little shyly. ‘It’s for them we’re signing,’ said their mum. ‘They’ll have more use for it.’

We did get one seven-year old’s signature, next to the swings in the park, freely signed, underneath her mum’s. The young girl had first gone into a Walk-In Centre for treatment on a gashed nose. Later on, she’d gone into hospital for the day for a small procedure. ‘She loved it’, said her mum. ‘You loved it, didn’t you? She has two brothers at home, always fighting over everything. She had a bed all to herself in hospital, her own tele and her own remote control. She loved it, didn’t want to come out.’ Her nose looked good to me too.

We fell into conversation with a man, who told us he’d been a policeman. ‘Why is it a bad thing, privatising the NHS? I heard this morning they’re doing that in Manchester. How do you know it’s a bad thing?’’ That’s a good question,’ I said. ‘It may turn out ok,’ I said, ‘but it opens the door…’ What politician is going to refuse a multi-million pound pot to manage the health service? But tell me what experience do they have? Won’t it create more bureaucracy? And what if you live just over the ‘border’? Which hospital do you go to? Who pays? And if doesn’t work out, maybe, TTIP will allow a big multi-national organisation to come in and take it over. You’ve broken up the Health Service. It stops being national, anymore. Does it matter? And what if they introduce extra charges? Maybe, offer you private insurance cover for better treatment? That won’t happen, will it?

I didn’t think of these last responses at the time but it set me thinking. You can’t always have the answer. Sometimes, it’s more helpful to think about the question. Somehow, you get more out of it. Just as we parted, he told us, ’I had colon cancer eighteen years ago. They did a good job.’ He’d been through a restructuring in the police force, seeing management stripped out, officers not replaced , only then for consultants to come in later and growing management tiers again. ‘It didn’t make any sense’, he said. I knew a bit about it. My own sister had been a very capable manager in the police and had been made redundant. Yet, who would be out on the streets asking for signatures in support of the police? And where would we be without them..? He signed.

Our hour was nearly up, so we made our way back to the rendezvous. There, I met Rosie and Michael. She was a trainee nurse. For some reason, I thought about inequality. ‘Yesterday, I was in a workshop where we put forward a 1-4 pay ratio for the UK. Say the lowest earners would get £15,000 per year and the highest £60,000. I think you can live very well on £60,000. But someone else said what about the doctors? Would they go through all that training, if they couldn’t earn more? Michael said not all doctors earned so much. His mum was a radiographer. ‘How well she knows you, Michael.’ He looked at me..? ‘She can see straight through you!’ ‘My mum’s dad had been a GP. From what I’ve heard, he didn’t work for the money. One time, he was given a chair in payment. He said he knew where the chair was going and took it round to a patient’s house. His wife wasn’t very happy.’

‘That’s why I’m here too, I think. I remember listening to my nan talking to my mum, while I sat invisible on the tuffet. She and Mrs Snow were the two women in their street, who brought babies into the world and washed and dressed and laid out the dead. It cost half-a-crown to call the doctor out (that’s twelve and a half pence to you) and people couldn’t afford it. They would only pay it as a last resort. They probably couldn’t afford the prescription either.’

Four female footballers were packing their kit into the back of their car after a match. ‘What position do you play?’ ‘Striker.’ ‘Will you sign this petition in support of the NHS? It’s 38DEGREES…’ ‘We all work in the NHS. Give it here.’ And they signed it.

‘How many signatures you got, Anne?’ ‘Between 30 and 40,’ she said. ‘Me too. Not bad for an hour’s work.’

The staff in the Co-op signed it.

The woman in the bread shop, her husband and her son, the bakers, signed it.

In the Purple Carrot, all the staff and customers had already signed it online.

One person did say ‘no’…one of the stall holders. While I talked to the person next to her, I offered her a leaflet, which she took to read. ‘Changed your mind..?’ I asked her. ‘I work in the hospital, thought I’d signed it already.’ By the way, how many creative people are there working in the NHS? We’d met loads. ‘But this one’s different. It must have been a work one.’ She signed the petition.

‘Why’s it called 38DEGREES?’, I asked a woman in the park, as she signed. ‘It’s because they reckon 38 degrees is the tipping point. Up to 38 degrees, it looks like nothing is happening. But, at 38 degrees, it flips and then everything changes.’